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李昌:国家处理法轮功的理性出乎我的意料(中英对照)

采访李昌系列报道之三

发布日期:2006年09月28日   文章来源:凯风网   作者:谈德音
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  他整理出版了李洪志的第一本“法轮功”书籍;
  
他亲自操办了李洪志在海外各辅导站的组建及大法研究会的注册;
  1995年李洪志出国后,他更是“法轮大法研究会”在中国境内的直接负责人。
  他,就是李昌。一个李洪志曾经的亲信、法轮功组织的骨干,一个曾为李洪志、为法轮功尽忠效力几近痴狂的人,一个曾想把余生都贡献给法轮功的人。
  为了法轮功,这个南开大学理工科的毕业生,在1999年7月20日被监视居住时已有39年零20天党龄的老党员,不惜提前两年从公安部退休。此前,李昌是正处级国家干部。
  为了法轮功,李昌直接策划和指挥了震惊中外的4.25法轮功练习者围攻中南海事件,以及此前的围攻北京电视台事件……
  2006年9月,已是67岁的李昌在狱中回首那段历史时,平和,理性。他说,“我得承担责任!”


  李昌在等待处罚时最担忧的,是怕家人因为自己受到牵连。

  但是,以后事情的发展让李昌很意外。“我一直表达过,”李昌说,“在中国的历次运动中,从51年、53年、57年一直到文革的运动,象法轮功这个问题上,这样的平静,政策的把握上这样的理性,很出乎我的意料!”

  “过去的事情已经不可以修改了,我就想呢,在以后呢,我个人也没什么可说的了,就是尽量对家人的牵涉不要造成太多的株连。”李昌说,“我这个人比较重感情,比较重感情。”

  为了“保护”家人,李昌当时就与老伴约定,尽量避免同亲人们的任何接触。“所以这么多年,我也不给他们通信,也不给他们打电话。让我写信,我也不写,让我老伴给转达几句话,所以在这些方面的话呢,心里头在想,我这个人比较重感情。”李昌慢慢地说道。

  “我这一家人都比较孝顺。我老大,下面还有两个弟弟,三个妹妹。”李昌说道,“然后我自己呢,我孙子我进来时一岁四个月,现在已经八岁了。三年级了,一米42,个子高!”谈到孙子时,李昌笑了。他说,“将来回家种种花养养草再逗逗孙子。”

  李昌的孙子已经8岁了,目前还有11年的铁窗生涯,面对出狱时已经19岁的孙子,还怎能用“逗”这个字呢?而在入狱前孙子还只有一岁四个月时,自己又在做什么呢?每年为了法轮功只有大年初一在家,而那时正是逗孙子的黄金时节啊……

  李昌说,他那时最担心的,是同在公安部工作的老伴。

  “我的事情出来以后,公安部一传达,马上支部书记得开会。开完会后,再传达,李昌怎么怎么的,李昌怎么怎么的。”李昌说道,“我老伴支部书记,你说这玩意李昌怎么怎么的,我在听了之后再说我自己也不方便,这将来怎么办呢?(老伴)到单位说,我辞去支部书记吧,不方便。人家说李昌是李昌的问题,你做你的支部书记,你跟他没关系。所以那年呢,我老伴还评了先进工作者!”

  李昌说老伴每月都来看他,上个星期还刚来过。“到现在她一直被返聘,帮一些年轻人,帮他们,还有一些他们不知道(我的事情)的。都很高兴。”李昌放心地说,“年轻人喜欢她,她的心情也很好。”

  最让李昌意外的,是自己的小弟。“我在监视居住的期间呢,公安部党委转来一个我小弟——我小弟那时是牙克石市党委秘书长——发了一个传真给公安部党委,让他转我。我小弟给我讲了很多,结果我以为(他)将来会受大的影响。”李昌说,“结果不但没有受影响,两年以后又晋升为市委副书记了!”

  李昌又说起了儿子。“儿子在这边有点压抑。”李昌有点愧疚地说,小儿子和媳妇都在上海,“原来大儿子自己做公司,后来不做了,给人打工去了,现在在清华同方。”虽然如此,李昌还是很骄傲地加上一句,“他清华毕业的。”

  “都没影响!”李昌又加了一句。

 

Li Chang: Government is so sensible in treatment of Falun Gong

He compiled and published Li Hongzhi's first Falun Gong book.

He set up all the overseas tutoring stations of Falun Gong and managed to have Research Society of Falun Dafa successfully registered.

Since Li Hongzhi went abroad in 1995, he became the chief leader of Research Society of Falun Dafa in the mainland of China.

He is just Li Chang. As a former favorite of Li Hongzhi and a leading figure in Falun Gong, Li Chang used to be completely faithful to Li Hongzhi and crazily believe in Falun Gong, and Li Chang used to think that he would work for Falun Gong wholeheartedly for the rest of his lifetime.

Li Chang graduated from Nankai University as a student of science and technology. By the time he was enforced with residential surveillance on July 20, 1999, Li Chang has been a member of Communist Party for 39 years and 20 days. However, just for the sake of Falun Gong, Li Chang decided to retire two years earlier than expected from the Ministry of Public Security. Then Li Chang has been a national cadre of division level.

In order to defend Falun Gong, Li Chang directly plotted and commanded "April 25" beleaguerment of Zhongnanhai by Falun Gong practitioners, which shocked the whole country and the world. The former besiegement of Beijing TV Station was also organized and launched by Li Chang.

In September 2006, Li Chang of 67 years old recalled that period peacefully and reasonably. He remarked, "I am guilty. I have to be responsible for what I have done."

When Li Chang was waiting for his sentence, he was greatly concerned that his family members would suffer because of him.

However, what happened later has surprised Li Chang a lot. Li Chang said, "China has undergone many great movements, such as the movements in 1951, 1953, 1957 and the Cultural Revolution. Improper measures or policies have been taken in those movements to some extent. But I held that our country has dealt with Falun Gong in a very calm and reasonable way. It is really out of my expectations."

Li Chang said, "There is no use crying over spilt milk. As for me, I have been given the due punishment. I only hope that my family members will not sustain any punishment because of my crime. I usually hold great affection for my family."

In order not to bring any trouble to his family, Li Chang has told his wife that he would avoid any contact with his family members. "For these years, I have never corresponded with them or called them. Of course I am allowed to write letters. But I will not write any letters. Sometimes I will have my wife pass on some words to my family. I earnestly hope that my family will be safe and sound." Li Chang said slowly.

"All our family members are very filial. I have got two younger brothers and three younger sisters." Li Chang continued, "As for my own family, my grandson was only one year and four months when I was imprisoned. Now he is 8 years old. He has been a pupil at the third grade. He is very tall, with 142cm in height." When it came to his grandson, Li Chang smiled happily. He said, "In future when I am set free, I will plant some flowers and play with my grandson."

In fact, there would be 11 years' imprisonment waiting for Li Chang. When he is set free, his grandson will be 19 years old and maybe it is impossible for him to play with his grandson freely. Before he entered the prison, his grandson was only one year and four months. At that time it was prime time for him to play with his grandson. But what was Li Chang busy with then? Yes, he was busy spreading and defending Falun Gong. Even during the Spring Festival, he had not spared much time for family reunion.

Li Chang worried most about his wife who was also working in the Ministry of Public Security.

Li Chang said, "When I was imprisoned, the Ministry of Public Security held meetings to convey the news. Then all the Party branch secretaries would have meetings. In each meeting the name 'Li Chang' would be mentioned many times. My wife is just a branch secretary. So she must feel very embarrassed at that time. So she decided to quit her branch secretary. But her leader comforted her that it was Li Chang instead of her who has done wrong, so she needed not worry about her job. That year my wife was still awarded as advanced individual in the Ministry."

Li Chang said that his wife would visit him every month. Li Chang was very satisfied with her present situation, "After her retirement, she has been reemployed by the Ministry to help the young employees. The young people like her very much. And she feels happy all day long."

What happened to his younger brother has brought Li Chang the greatest surprise. "When I was enforced with residence surveillance, the Party committee of the Ministry of Public Security transferred to me a fax from my younger brother who was then the secretary-general of Party committee in the city of Yakeshi. In the fax my younger brother has instructed me to break away from Falun Gong. I thought his political career would be badly influenced because of me." Li Chang said, "On the contrary, my younger brother obtained a promotion two year later."

Li Chang also talked about his sons. He felt rather guilty of his sons. He said, "My second son and his wife are both working in Shanghai. My first son formerly started his own business. But he met some hardships, so he gave up the company and find a job in Qsinghua Tongfang Company. My first son graduated from Qsinghua Universtiy." Clearly Li Chang felt proud of his sons.

Finally Li Chang concluded, "All my family members have not got into trouble because of my imprisonment."

(Kaiwind, September 28,  2006)

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